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prisoner#1
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 12:50 pm |
bigdaddy wrote: It seems I hear about more accidental shootings with Glocks than some others. Is this something due to how they are made or just the users?
usually due to the users though the internal saftey has raised some issues in the
glocks, the springfield XD is built the same way and has tried to address those issues
as well as some other jamming problems that could be viewed as life threatening
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prisoner#1
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 12:54 pm |
TheHaydenator wrote: You can tell by the fact it makes shooting a .45 feel like shooting a 9mm.
But as I said, you can't go wrong with a Glock
strange, my 9mm had more recoil than my .45, in fact shooting it is like shooting a .22
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ROP
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18th, 2009 05:07 pm |
I've got a 5 shot .22 that fits in my watch pocket, I'm scared of that thing.
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dude
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2009 06:20 pm |
bigdaddy wrote:
It seems I hear about more accidental shootings with Glocks than some others. Is this something due to how they are made or just the users?
It's because they can't keep their fangers off the trigger.
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coolhead64
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27th, 2009 03:08 am |
prisoner#1 wrote: bigdaddy wrote: It seems I hear about more accidental shootings with Glocks than some others. Is this something due to how they are made or just the users?
usually due to the users though the internal saftey has raised some issues in the
glocks, the springfield XD is built the same way and has tried to address those issues
as well as some other jamming problems that could be viewed as life threatening
What jamming problems, never had a problem with either of mine.
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prisoner#1
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31st, 2009 12:21 pm |
just because you havent experienced it yet doesnt mean it cant become an issue for
you in th future, there's dozens of cops across the country that are in litigation
against glock, catastrophic failures in several calibers precluded the military from
adopting the gun, with the chamber being unsupported and often being oversized it
allows for an unsafe weapon especially if someone is using +p type rounds, the
calibers most affected are .40, .357 sig, .45acp and the 10mm
"White Laboratories in Los Angeles examined the pistol prior to it being sent to Glock for inspection. Their report states: “Case failures are common even in reputable, commercial grade ammunition. In a weapon with a fully supported chamber, the case usually cannot rupture since it is fully enclosed in the chamber. However, with the Glock’s unsupported chamber, a case failure is a constant threat. The polymer frame simply offers the shooter no protection from the blast.”"
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USNavyVet
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| Posted: Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 07:23 am |
I hate 45's. The recoil and concussion are too great & have me "flinching" before I pull the 2nd, 3rd & then on 4round. I sell to Glock andhave been in their facility here. It is surreal the testing that goes onwith the guns. I am surprised to see the case failure - that is nasty & I can imagine if that happened in open fire w/civilians, it would end in disaster. I pray for our Law Enforcement daily. I couldnt do it, thats for sure. In the Navy we shot 50's off the side of the ship - Once we got shot at - it was easy to lean over & set one of those off in return; a lasting impression. If I were in law enforcement I'd be on R.N.Wire as topic of "shoot first...who needs questions!" Getting shot at is not for me and I pray now that no guns jam, Glock or otherwise, for any officer in an armed confrontation!
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TheHaydenator
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| Posted: Mon Jan 4th, 2010 12:59 am |
As I said, Glocks are good guns. They're tough and dependable, you just gotta baby them in some aspects.
When you fist open the Glock box, there's a big yellow warning label stating that using remanufactured or "+p" is dangerous in a Glock and that if used, it will void the warranty. Of course, while the Glocks are used by an estimated 2/3 of US Law Enforcement officers, both those ammo types are used too, which could account for some of the catastrophic failures. Also since these have come up, Glock has stressed, especially in their armorers classes the practice of closely inspecting the barrel and other parts at each cleaning for stress fractures, etc.....
I'm a glock fan, own two of them, and plan on holding on to both for awhile, especially my Baby Glock .40 which I plan on carrying as my backup when I go into Law Enforcement.
I guess though that I wanted a little variety and a bit more class than a Glock, so that's why I got a .45 Sig Sauer for the pre-service police academy that I'm going to in the near future. So far, for the extra money you pay for a Sig, its worth it compared to a Glock........
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coolhead64
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| Posted: Mon Jan 4th, 2010 01:52 am |
prisoner#1 wrote: just because you havent experienced it yet doesnt mean it cant become an issue for
you in th future, there's dozens of cops across the country that are in litigation
against glock, catastrophic failures in several calibers precluded the military from
adopting the gun, with the chamber being unsupported and often being oversized it
allows for an unsafe weapon especially if someone is using +p type rounds, the
calibers most affected are .40, .357 sig, .45acp and the 10mm
"White Laboratories in Los Angeles examined the pistol prior to it being sent to Glock for inspection. Their report states: “Case failures are common even in reputable, commercial grade ammunition. In a weapon with a fully supported chamber, the case usually cannot rupture since it is fully enclosed in the chamber. However, with the Glock’s unsupported chamber, a case failure is a constant threat. The polymer frame simply offers the shooter no protection from the blast.”"
Most of these KB's occur from Glock's being fired "out of battery", which is possible in almost any gun. However, because alot of guns do have fully supported chambers, the effects are less in them.
Another issue is the reloads, most of the problems are caused by A. Out of spec cartridge casings that dont fully seat on thier own; and B. People that load hot loads.
I believe that if you pay attention to what your doing, make sure your gun is in battery, Glocks are fine weapons,
A KB can happen and has happened in everything from Hipoints to Springfields to Glocks to HK's. Stuff happens.
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prisoner#1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 5th, 2010 04:02 am |
USNavyVet wrote: I hate 45's. The recoil and concussion are too great & have me "flinching" before I pull the 2nd, 3rd & then on 4round.
one of the reasons I like my .45, there's virtually no recoil, it's about the same as a .32
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prisoner#1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 5th, 2010 04:28 am |
coolhead64 wrote: Another issue is the reloads, most of the problems are caused by A. Out of spec cartridge casings that dont fully seat on thier own; and B. People that load hot loads.
firiing out of battery does occur as does stove piping and a lot of other technical
issues that can often be atributed to the shooter, but glock has sloppy tolerances by
design, it's one of the resons they're praised for their durability, glock is more than
eager to deny the pistols will fire out of battery
hayden... I bought a glock NIB, I sold it soon after, there was nothing in there about
amunition types, nothing about using +p loads or hand loads, these failures also
happen with standard factory FMJ loads, it's named in a few of the lawsuits
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ManinBlack
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| Posted: Tue Jan 5th, 2010 02:10 pm |
Prisoner #1, I have a Glock just recently purchased. I bought it at a gun show and really don't know what model it is. I just knew Glocks were reported to be good hand guns. Would you be good enough to tell me how I can find out whether it is a 20, 21, whatever. I am a rifle type guy and need to know this info. Thanks.
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prisoner#1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 5th, 2010 04:02 pm |
it should be stamped on the left side of the slide between the logo and the country of origin
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coolhead64
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| Posted: Thu Jan 7th, 2010 04:40 am |
ManinBlack wrote: Prisoner #1, I have a Glock just recently purchased. I bought it at a gun show and really don't know what model it is. I just knew Glocks were reported to be good hand guns. Would you be good enough to tell me how I can find out whether it is a 20, 21, whatever. I am a rifle type guy and need to know this info. Thanks.
That's scary since 20's are 10mm Auto's and 21's are .45 Auto's
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ME!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 04:29 am |
have ya'll seen these videos?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/16/racking-a-glock-slide-with-one
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