| Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 05:51 pm |
|
76th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
stoker wrote: I quit paying attention to birthdays years ago but happy belated birthday. Hope you're with us for many more. You are providing one heck of an education on the history of the area to a northern transplant. 
Thank you Stoker! And you are one of us, even our Native American ancestors were transplants too, said to have crossed over on the land bridge from Asia. (But I also consider--since even "The Impossible Dream" is possible--that they, or their progenitors--got caught here before the continents broke apart.) Anyway we are still all transplants, as migratory as the birds and butterflys. Thanks brother!  Last edited on Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 05:53 pm by serpentfoot
|
| Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 06:24 pm |
|
77th Post |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 06:37 pm |
|
78th Post |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 07:13 pm |
|
79th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
Here is some GOOD NEWS my RAW friend Bill Barker caught "on line":
A Big Fish
[url=" type=SMTP name=resolved isGalEntry=]Bill Barker [william6377@msn.com][/url]
Note Though Bill is sharing this it is copyrighted: Copyright (C) Bill Barker 2009
Enjoy!
Attachments:
 A Big Fis1.doc(1MB)
Last edited on Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 07:20 pm by serpentfoot
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 07:26 pm |
|
80th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
One of my old schoolmates (back at Coosa School) now Pastor Robert V. Ozment, means well and he's a fine fellow but I have to disagree with what he said in today's Rome News Tribune (Saturday, October 24, 2009) page 6A, he said :
"...Perfection cannot come out of imperfection and confusion unless there is an intelligent mind directing the process. God has a will for everyone on this earth.
As I have shown previously in my Bad News Gospel, Eden was not "perfect"; there was something lacking in Eden; NEED was there before Eve and the Serpent and showed Adam the apple. Need was there before that HELPMATE Eve, who was Adam's previously missing "other half" and she would not have been called a "Helpmate" if he had not been in need. There is a wise old Arab proverb that tells the truth that:
NOTHING IS PERFECT UNTIL IT IS FINISHED. (Dead)
And that perfection always comes out of (ends) this imperfect life. But as long as there is life there is this imperfection, the NEED for air, water, food, mates, help and many other essentials.
Evolution, or any kind of improvement or striving to do better, can only do that--make things better--not make them perfect--but that is better than devolving or quitting into a perfect finished death.
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 01:07 am |
|
81st Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
Jesus was not born perfect either---
Copyright © Serpentfoot 2009
(All readers are welcome to copy or quote this, just cite the source as Serpentfoot.)
Jesus was not born PERFECT either; he was born human like the rest of us (1 Timothy 2:5). He was born and raised a Jew, and with their religious, ethnic, and racist prejudices against all other tribes around them that were different from them in religion, race or ethnicity--such as was later reflected in Judio-Christian Europeans who looked down upon "uncivilized un-Christian" Native Americans as "NOT EVEN HUMAN" but more like wild wolves in a "VACANT LAND", "free for the taking--as inhabitated only by animals or plants, "FAUNA AND FLORA".
Jesus did evolve to become better than that: Most of us have probably heard that song, "Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white--they are precious in his sight." But it was not always that way. Just as Judio-Christian Europeans looked down on Native Americans as "WILD WOLVES", Jesus the young Jew looked upon Gentiles (like most of us) as "DOGS": In his early ministry, Jesus was begged to heal the daughter of a non-Jew woman who was Syrian-Phoenician (mostly GENTILE). His disciples urged him to send her away and he agreed as he said "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:23-24), meaning that his ministry was for the Jews, not for the Gentiles. When the woman continued to beg him to heal her daughter, Jesus said "Let the children be fed first, for it is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs" (Mark 7:27). The "CHILDREN" were the JEWS; the "DOGS" were the "GENTILES". When the mother replied "Sir, even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs" (Mark 7:28), Jesus told her to go home, that for her great faith her daughter was healed. Still it was not until "right before his ascension"* that Jesus commissioned his followers to "make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19). In other words it was not until his fellow Jews turned against him, with the Priests of the Jewish Temple prevailing upon the Romans to crucify him, that Jesus turned to the Gentiles. Jesus therefore, like the rest of us, was influenced and evolved as a result of the situation around him: When Jews would not listen, he turned to Gentiles, doing what he could do. He evolved to that perfection found only in his death on the cross.
Nevertheless Jesus's ministry to the Jews has succeeded as it was initially intended and done more for the Jews than for Gentiles, as Judeo-Christians today accept subservient positions as "the adopted children of God", and with Jews as "God's CHOSEN people", and with "ISRAEL" (not America or Lebanon or some other place) as "THE HOLY LAND". Jesus being "rejected by his own people" who nevertheless benefit greatly from his ministry, reminds me of that old question before Solomon about "Whose baby this is?" The real mother (and the child's "Savior") was the one who denied it (Like the Jews denied Jesus.) That worked out PERFECT for them.
* I am indebted to the "Adult Bible Studies" of the US Uniform Series International Bible Lessons for Christian Teaching, Student Fall 2009 Edition Vol. 42, No. 1, an official resource for the United Methodist Church, published by Cokesbury, Nashville, Tenn. for gathering the above listed verses into their lesson (page 55)for Oct. 18, 2009. They did not interpret quite as I did nor point out what I have as to "evolving" or "perfect", nor make the comparison with the tale of the two mothers before Solomon, etc, etc, but otherwise their said lesson did cite all the Biblical references that inspired and were helpful in my above article.
Last edited on Mon Oct 26th, 2009 07:37 pm by serpentfoot
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 09:08 pm |
|
82nd Post |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 11:20 pm |
|
83rd Post |
Spice
Super Moderator
back to top
|
Just one thing Serpentfoot, my husband was a Jew and according to his beliefs, the line Jews as "God's CHOSEN people", is usually taken out of context. The only thing the Jews were chosen for was to teach, not to be Gods favorites.
____________________
“War does not determine who is right - only who is left” Bertrand Russell
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:10 am |
|
84th Post |
Walter
Guest
back to top
|
This hooey is nothing more than a anti-Semitic message. Fighting words huh?
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:18 am |
|
85th Post |
Spice
Super Moderator
back to top
|
Walter wrote: This hooey is nothing more than a anti-Semitic message. Fighting words huh?
Nah, I don't fight over anyone's beliefs. I live and let live.
____________________
“War does not determine who is right - only who is left” Bertrand Russell
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:40 am |
|
86th Post |
MrTonkle
back to top
|
I beat my fish and it died.
Oookay, that just isn't as funny as the joke.
Never mind.
____________________
No matter where you go, there you are....
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 05:05 pm |
|
87th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
Spice wrote: Just one thing Serpentfoot, my husband was a Jew and according to his beliefs, the line Jews as "God's CHOSEN people", is usually taken out of context. The only thing the Jews were chosen for was to teach, not to be Gods favorites.
Everybody is free to copy and reprint this my response to Spice--as long as you identify it as from me, because I will have it in a book later so it is:
Copyright (C) Serpentfoot 2009
All of us probably have a little Jewish blood, as they traveled a lot and not only got into Pharoah's cradle. into the King of Babylon's bed, down from the Tigris and Euphrates to Lebanon and the West Bank and... They may be a small nation in Israel, and a "minority" in nearly every country, but they have become as a majority in the world and have such a hold on Hollywood and our news media that Americans have to be cautious in exercising our "freedom of speech" even in our own land: You might say "White trailer trash" or "Kentucky or Appalachian hillbillies", You might say anything about "Northerner carpetbaggers", "Southerners", Arabs, Moslems, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians or any other group--just as long as it is not the least critical of a German Jew or Russian Jew, or Polish Jew or any other kind of Jew.
I suspect my "Cone" ancesters may have anglicized their name from "Cohen"(?) or "Kohan" (??) As I know I have English, Welch, Scot, Irish, French, German, Dutch, and Spanish, and Native American (of Creek, Cherokee, and surely all that they mixed in with) I feel sure I must also have some of their ancient Asiatic blood, also African, Arab/Moslem and other blood (even Neanderthal I'll bet), AND JEWISH FROM EVERY DIRECTION MIXED IN.
I do find some of those ancestors more interesting than some of the others, and more like how I would like to live, but I do not like how some of my ancestors (of several racial or ethnic and religious groups) treated and still treat the others. As part of this American "melting pot" I insist upon EQUAL TREATMENT, EQUAL RESPECT AND OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. Therefore AMERICA, AND ALL THE WORLD, NOT ISRAEL ONLY, IS MY HOLY LAND! If there has to be a "Chosen People" it would have to be "American", not Israeli--I could not accept any other race or ethnic group as better than this mix that I am. This mixed dust that I am is sacred to me. Thanks and my best to all!
PS: Even if the only way Jews were "Chosen" was to "Teach", I could not accept that I would learn only their version either. Even as a child I was very particular what I learned: I failed the 3rd grade because one look at the alphabet told me it was not natural, not like a bird's nest, nor wasp nest, nor anything else in nature; it was obviously man made! SOMEBODY HAD MADE IT UP! I never would have learned to read if I had not had too much pride to accept a failing grade and figured I would be as a spy in an enemy camp, pretend I believed every word the teacher said, just to see what kind of game they were playing and to learn to play their game better than they did. After a while I realized that man is much a part of nature as birds and wasps and other creatures and that our "manmade" creations or works of art are no more "artificial", "false", or "unreal" than the nests, hives, dens, dams, and other works of other creatures. And if the teachers had taught us, from the start, that an "A" came from a drawing of an ox's head--upside down, just like the other letters had started out as pictures that were them stylized for speed and better communication--I would not have had to discover all that myself before I could accept the alphabet and then get on to the bigger problems with "THE WORD" and communication/communities/all and my part in it. Indeed the alphabet first, and then THE WORD, was born from pictures, "GRAVEN IMAGES".
I'd hate to see another teacher hiding that as "FORBIDDEN", or merely out of ignorance, so more poor kids have to figure it out for themselves too. We can progress so much quicker if each does not have to "invent the wheel" or everything else for themselves. But I cannot take teachings on faith, or ON THEIR WORD, either: I want to be shown, see evidence, have it all explaned, and making sense, within reason, that can be accepted at least until we find out otherwise.
Last edited on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 06:10 pm by serpentfoot
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 06:51 pm |
|
88th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
Walter wrote: This hooey is nothing more than a anti-Semitic message. Fighting words huh?
I was quoting Jesus as shown in those New Testament citations. He was born and brought up a Jew. They did turn on him, even as they stoned many others. Worse than just "fighting words" the Jewish priests insisted until the Romans gave in and crucified the peaceful Jesus on the cross.
Nevertheless, and even after all they had done unto him, Jesus, even on the cross, was NOT ANTI-SEMITIC, (nor showed favoritism to Jews) but said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Neither am I anti-Semitic, but as an American, I merely insist on equality for all, with NO RACE, RELIGION, NOR ETNIC GROUP as chosen or preferred over any other, and my land, my world, and this dust that I am as my holy land, my sacred soil.
The only anti-Semitism and fighting words in those quotes from Jesus, ie: "The Jews as the CHOSEN Children of God", but others like "Gentiles as dogs", which Jesus learned from his Jewish upbringing, is their own racist, ethnocentric words speaking for themselves, that would stir reactions against them in any normal "Gentile" or other person called a "dog". If quoting Jews is "anti-semitic" or uses "Fighting words", it is their own words that are such. All I demand is, not favoritism, or exclusion, but EQUALITY for all.
Last edited on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 06:53 pm by serpentfoot
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 07:56 pm |
|
89th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
MrTonkle wrote: I beat my fish and it died.
Oookay, that just isn't as funny as the joke.
Never mind.
That link seems to have died. I'm sorry about that. Maybe somebody deleted it because I did not show that Bill Barker gave his permission to share it (even though I showed a copyright for him.) We can still give others permission to reprint copyrighted things just as long as they give credit and are not doing it commercially without comsent. It is too late now--more than 48 hours--for me to edit and add the link but I'll see if Bill will send it again for posting. He was proud of the big fish and it was pretty running water. Thanks.
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 08:12 pm |
|
90th Post |
serpentfoot
back to top
|
Spice wrote: Walter wrote: This hooey is nothing more than a anti-Semitic message. Fighting words huh?
Nah, I don't fight over anyone's beliefs. I live and let live.
That is me too, "Live and let live". That is what Jesus meant too when he began calling the Gentiles his children too, no longer "dogs", and preached the Golden Rule to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.". We Americans have come a long way too from our prejudices against blacks and Native Americans and persons of other religions or ethnicities, and the female sex, and homosexuals, and some of the elderly or other non-sexuals--who never had or who have given up on any sexual orientation or preferences (the name for that slips my mind right now), to practice more equality for all, especially after the 13th, 14th and other Amendments: The American way, but to get here we had to fight for that much equality. I'd like to think there is not too much more fight ahead. But was it Thomas Jefferson who said, "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."? Thomas Paine in The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777, said "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." Many persons since then have restated some version of that. Thanks to all!Last edited on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 08:45 pm by serpentfoot
|
|
? 
being called on for something they are not accustomed to repeating? 
