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Incidentally, if you have read the Bible, Jesus did pray in crowds. He prayed at his Baptism, on the Cross, taught his disciples to pray. He said pray continuously and no one can stay in a closet continuously. There are many contradictions in the Bible, it was written by many different men and just as we don't always agree on everything, they were not infallible and they also disagreed on many points.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 05:09 pm |
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Spice, I have been arrested and sentenced to jail for 5 years (with the option of a suspended sentence if I would leave my home and family) merely because I was not Christian and spoke against Christian Prayers ONLY at government meetings in Rome and Floyd County, and for two occasions when I performed my Honesty Ritual (naked before the God who allegedly made us naked--not hid in sheep's wool). If that had been a Christian ritual I would not have been arrested at these government meetings devoted only to Jesus--in violation of the establishmwent clause of the 1st Amendment of the U. S. Constitution, and the right to equal treatment of law in the 14th Amendment.
One and 1/2 months after I was jailed my mother starved to death in a nursing home where I had been visiting her and helping her eat. That would not have happened if our government meetings were not devoted to Jesus or the Judeo-Christian God only in violation of our rights to religious freedom and equal treatment of law--regardless of our religion or other differences. I feel that Judge Larry Salmon, Prosecutor Leigh Patterson, and all those commissioners and others who discriminated against me on the basis of religion are guilty of murdering my mother--but I was their intended victim. Judge Salmon wanted to silence me to cover up the Forum Splost fraud. His attenpt to banish me or else jail me, showed two of the ways he tried to get rid of me. Banishment, from ancient times was seen as the equivalent of the death sentence, to exclude any animal from the herd is to leave it to the wolves (there is some safety in numbers but not much chance alone without help.) Socrates took hemlock rather than leave when he was banished. I resisted the banishment but was ALMOST LYNCHED in the Floyd County Jail--the most CHRISTIAN PLACE I HAVE EVER BEEN! With all those pick pockets, drug addicts and prostitutes dancing up and down, singing, and praying to Jesus! AND IT WAS NOT "JAIL HOUSE RELIGION" --They had grown up on it--didn't need any song or prayer books--it was ingrained in them! Evidently it made them and the rest of our society what it is--with more people jailed than any other large industrial nation.
My mother did not survive my being jailed away from her. She would not have died if those fanatics had not convicted me and jailed me due to religious differences. They murdered her while trying to get rid of me. Tortured her to death. She starved only after I was prevented from visiting her for 1 1/2 months.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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Serpentfoot, I do not believe you were arrested for speaking out, but for taking your clothes off in a public place. There are laws against that and they have nothing to do with religion. It could have been anyone of any religion and they would have been arrested because there are laws against public nudity. If you want to run around naked, there are nudist camps that allow that. Think about this, your mother may not have died, had you kept your clothes on. Why not accept your responsibility in the situation rather than placing the blame on those who were following the law?
There are those who would claim that child molestation is part of their religion but if they are caught, they will still go to jail because there are laws against it. Some of these laws may be based on Biblical law but they are still the laws of man. Just like wearing your seat belt.
I believe that your perceived persecution is caused by your own unwillingness to follow those laws. The laws are not just for you, they are for everyone. Even though I may dissagree with a law, I am required to obey it until or unless the law is changed.
Frankly, I don't care if they pray at a council meeting or not, it is not going to effect me personally. I do agree with you about prison, there are a great many who become ordained ministers in Prison, it looks better on their record when they come up for parole.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 08:36 pm |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 08:59 pm |
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Spice wrote: Serpentfoot, I do not believe you were arrested for speaking out, but for taking your clothes off in a public place. There are laws against that and they have nothing to do with religion. It could have been anyone of any religion and they would have been arrested because there are laws against public nudity. If you want to run around naked, there are nudist camps that allow that. Think about this, your mother may not have died, had you kept your clothes on. Why not accept your responsibility in the situation rather than placing the blame on those who were following the law?
There are those who would claim that child molestation is part of their religion but if they are caught, they will still go to jail because there are laws against it. Some of these laws may be based on Biblical law but they are still the laws of man. Just like wearing your seat belt.
I believe that your perceived persecution is caused by your own unwillingness to follow those laws. The laws are not just for you, they are for everyone. Even though I may dissagree with a law, I am required to obey it until or unless the law is changed.
Frankly, I don't care if they pray at a council meeting or not, it is not going to effect me personally. I do agree with you about prison, there are a great many who become ordained ministers in Prison, it looks better on their record when they come up for parole. Regardless what you believe, I was indeed arrested for speaking against Christian prayers at government meetings. AFTER I was arrested merely for speaking (and I was on the agenda to speak--not interrupting them but they interrupted me) the the next meeting when they statrted their prayers, I answered their prayers presenting God IN FLESH (as the body is called the "Temple of God". The Bible--if you will read it in Rev. 3:17 also states you are naked. God is alleged to have made us that way. Call him an obscene artist if you l;ike but why would you worship as "God" that one artist creator you feel did the most obscene thing? If you ever stand before God, are you going to hide what he supposedly created? Nudity is ALLWAYS APPROPRIATE WHEN TALKING TO GOD. The only thing indecent is prayers at public meetings. Jesus said "Hide in the closet to pray" Matthew 6: 5,6) He surely had to do it around people when he was teaching the people but he preferred to focus on God when talking or listening to God in Prayer. The Declaration of Independence refers to decency as showing some respect (a decent respect) for the opinions of others, not forcing you religion upon others at public meetings. It is a private matter between you and God. And do remember you were born alone and will die alone (even if others are there dying too.) And don't think God won't be able to see right thru you. You won't hide anything in prayer--at least not in real prayer. At public prayer where you are really going after other people you can certainly put on something attractive that hides and shows only your better parts. But that is not talking or listening to God. You won't hide anything from God.Last edited on Tue Dec 15th, 2009 09:02 pm by serpentfoot
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 09:40 pm |
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Spice wrote: Frankly, I don't care if they pray at a council meeting or not, it is not going to effect me personally. I do agree with you about prison, there are a great many who become ordained ministers in Prison, it looks better on their record when they come up for parole.
Haha, you're right Spice. I too am an ordained minister, got the certificate and everything. I am ordained through World Christianship Ministries.
I did it to see if I could as I was writing about false ministers and such a couple of years back. Yes, I can marry you, preside over your funeral or give you your last rights before God.
IMHO, I think Serpenfoot is a false prophet that has been swayed by the Demon. Last edited on Tue Dec 15th, 2009 09:45 pm by Tex
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 10:40 pm |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 10:54 pm |
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My husband was a licenced minister, I still have his licence and he did marry my son and his wife. My first husband was Jewish. I didn't try to change their beliefs and they didn't try to change mine.
If I were in a room full of snake handlers, who am I to tell them they can't handle snakes? I don't have to handle them just because they do and personally, I don't like snakes. I believe some states have enacted laws against snake handling and if caught, just like with the laws against public nudity, they would be arrested.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2009 04:02 pm |
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serpentfoot
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Spice, it is much easier to close your eyes or turn your head and not see, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE "WHAT GOD MADE (NUDE)" than it is to close your ears and not hear, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ISLAM, HINDU, OR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN or other PRAYERS. But if any group does not want to hear the other's evangelizing then they should not expect the others to hear theirs--the "Golden Rule" requires equal treatment for all--just like the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (and it is the reason why the 1st Amendment prohibits government from establishing any religion as part of government.)
Snakes usually mind their own business and get out of your way if they can, a lots nicer than most people, few of whom are "Good Samaritans" but all too many people GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO STOMP THE FALLEN--"Put them in jail and throw away the key!; deny them health care!;..."
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2009 08:16 pm |
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serpentfoot wrote: Spice, it is much easier to close your eyes or turn your head and not see, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE "WHAT GOD MADE (NUDE)" than it is to close your ears and not hear, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ISLAM, HINDU, OR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN or other PRAYERS. But if any group does not want to hear the other's evangelizing then they should not expect the others to hear theirs--the "Golden Rule" requires equal treatment for all--just like the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (and it is the reason why the 1st Amendment prohibits government from establishing any religion as part of government.)
Snakes usually mind their own business and get out of your way if they can, a lots nicer than most people, few of whom are "Good Samaritans" but all to many people GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO STOMP THE FALLEN--"Put them in jail and throw away the key!; deny them health care!;..."
I don't close my eyes and ears, but I do have the common sense to make my own decisions about what I'm willing to believe. I don't care whose prayers it is, I can listen, show respect and then like the snakes go on about my business and tend to my own beliefs without the need to push them on anyone else.
Snakes mind their own business and I mind mine unless a snake decides to strike. As for real snakes, I don't stomp them, I avoid them, even though my son will catch them and bring them in to show the children. I do know that they help with the control of other pests.
When it comes to political snakes, they are always coiled and ready to strike if it will fill their own pockets or fuel their popularity. I still don't like snakes.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2009 08:40 pm |
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Spice wrote: serpentfoot wrote: Spice, it is much easier to close your eyes or turn your head and not see, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE "WHAT GOD MADE (NUDE)" than it is to close your ears and not hear, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ISLAM, HINDU, OR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN or other PRAYERS. But if any group does not want to hear the other's evangelizing then they should not expect the others to hear theirs--the "Golden Rule" requires equal treatment for all--just like the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (and it is the reason why the 1st Amendment prohibits government from establishing any religion as part of government.)
Snakes usually mind their own business and get out of your way if they can, a lots nicer than most people, few of whom are "Good Samaritans" but all to many people GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO STOMP THE FALLEN--"Put them in jail and throw away the key!; deny them health care!;..."
I don't close my eyes and ears, but I do have the common sense to make my own decisions about what I'm willing to believe. I don't care whose prayers it is, I can listen, show respect and then like the snakes go on about my business and tend to my own beliefs without the need to push them on anyone else.
Snakes mind their own business and I mind mine unless a snake decides to strike. As for real snakes, I don't stomp them, I avoid them, even though my son will catch them and bring them in to show the children. I do know that they help with the control of other pests.
When it comes to political snakes, they are always coiled and ready to strike if it will fill their own pockets or fuel their popularity. I still don't like snakes.
You may be superior enough to resist brainwashing and the power of subliminal suggestings that have been constantly repeated but most people, like parrots unconsciously pick up whatever they hear over and over--even when they try to resist it consciously, still it slips in unconsciously--like music--if you hear it often you may find yourself singing it. It is aklso hard to reason against rythem.
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I'm a tough old bird but I'm not a parrot.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2009 09:36 pm |
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Now Spice, You are going to have to stop.
I have called Jeff Foxworthy and after reading some of your recent stuff he wants you to come on and replace Larry the Cable Guy. Funny,,,,,,,,!!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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ManinBlack wrote: Now Spice, You are going to have to stop.
I have called Jeff Foxworthy and after reading some of your recent stuff he wants you to come on and replace Larry the Cable Guy. Funny,,,,,,,,!!
Well, MIB, Foxworthy has to get his material from someone. 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 07:41 pm |
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Spice, Thank you for your forthrightness and honesty in admitting your dislike for snakes and “political snakes” –that humans too have not only animal but even the “lowest of the low”, or “low down” or “snake in the grass” qualities or traits—that the snake then is symbolic of some things we see in ourselves or others.
Moses and Jesus, and the Greeks and others, saw that too, as when Moses uplifted the serpent in the wilderness and when it showed its changeable qualities and power before Pharaoh; when Jesus said, “The lowest will be highest, and the first last.”; when the Greeks and other civilizations—including our South American and Native American ancestors and predecessors used the serpent around the staff or walking cane as a symbol of hope or healing (the Caduceus, or medical symbol) showing that just because one is “down”, or without feet, does not mean they are beaten—but like the serpent can go over under, around, or through. It has no feet but is all foot—the symbol of ”that hated enemy”, Need or Necessity, which is nevertheless the best guidance and only way to survival—doing what one really needs to do, doing the necessary (remembering too that love is a need, and that a “friend in need is a friend indeed” (and how bad we feel when we feel un-needed or “ so un-necessary”.) The dislikes and even hates and prejudices that many people feel, is not all bad but is born of fear of partially known, the unknown, that which is hidden, possibly powerful and dangerous—
That fear is “The beginning of wisdom”, the warning to be cautious, but it is only the beginning—and should not freeze us forever in fear, afraid to explore, discover, advance, learn and move into the sunlight and green pastures. That hiding in fear, or as a predator stalking, is not limited to cats, or “snakes in the grass”, but people too—behind fig leaves, grass skirts, cotton, wood or steel helmets and other gear to disguise or make them appear bigger, more powerful and to be avoided, or in the uniform or flags of a friend, or in sheep’s wool (when they really are wolves).
That prejudice or fear of the “snake in the grass” goes back much further than Eden (as the alleged incident there did not involve a hidden or fearsome appearing snake) and is probably a hold-over of ingrained fear from a time when some of our early primate ancestors were much smaller. Though blind fear or partially informed prejudice is “the beginning of wisdom”, it does not advance to the wisdom or “Age of Reason” stage until we have the curiosity and courage to advance as caution allows—and taking all changes and movements into account—recognizing that we have evolved from that rodent sized primate that serpents preyed upon and that they are not after us now but generally get out of our way if , in our dancing or walking, we thump the ground heavy enough. And even if we accidentally step on one , most of them are not poison nor big enough to crush or try to swallow us. Indeed it would be to our advantage now to have a few King snakes to eat not only the rats that now spread disease and famine but also eat the few poison snakes.
I had much rather face a snake (except for those large Anacondas) than a lion, bear, pack of wolves, shark or some other large creatures out there. Yet even the jungle, as the few left are now, are a safer retreat than the civilizations of this world: The worst of all predators, and the most pitiful homeless prey, are on our streets.
So let’s all have at least some “street Smarts” to recognize our real situation on the way to reason and wisdom and survive, not stagnate, go backwards or trample/stampede each other out of cowardice, blinded fear, hate, or unreasonable prejudice against the unknown or untried—or by merely “following the crowd herd” mentality, conformity or habit.
“Fear of the Lord…” may be the “…beginning of wisdom”, but wisdom is not the usual thing, “run of the mill”, or “common”, it is a good bit different, exceptional. Thanks.
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